You have to be very strong to work with Jeffrey. He's like a...

You have to be very strong to work with Jeffrey. He's like a pendulum, swinging back and forth, smashing things as he goes. Neither of us were afraid of confrontation, but we were always able to do it without insulting or disappointing each other. If you push back at Jeffrey, he'll say, 'OK, show me.' And if you're right, he'll be the first to acknowledge it.