We kind of lean on each other, actually. It's very much a...

We kind of lean on each other, actually. It's very much a give-and-take relationship. ... in a great way. We pick each other's minds all the time. But Jim is like that -- he'll pick his coaches' minds, ask their opinions and thoughts. That's what makes him such a great manager. He affords a lot of responsibility and trust to the guys he works with.