Earlier in the year when we had a high interest rates, the...

Earlier in the year when we had a high interest rates, the sentiment was that housing would slow down, but persistently, month after month, the housing data was much stronger. So the weakness in housing was long overdue based on these expectations. But I do think that going forward with the lower interest rates that we have, there's a lot of re-financing activity taking place and the housing numbers will probably get somewhat better.