But everything has been so gradual that it's sort of all come from, just hard work and basically being at it.
I mean, I don't even think of myself as a musician, really.
The last two records I liked playing a lot.
I have a really hard time writing my own lyrics for this record, because one, I had to write so many and also I was kind of perplexed by the idea of how I was going to sing and play... because at that time, we hadn't really thought about asking someone else.
I mean, most of it is probably more obscure and just more noisy than either of those two bands, but Thurston has stuff all the time that he's involved with that is fairly obscure and experimental.