I think people tuned in a lot to see Barbara when she first came here and they just didn't like the show they saw. I think it was dull. It was sterile.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't mention a Lebanese cabinet crisis, for example, but we don't have to spend two minutes with it from the Middle East.
We probably paid Cassie a little more than we had to but it was done because I wanted to make a statement that we are here and we're serious.
While there seems to be a major commitment now, historically there hasn't been. It's not an automatic thing where they say we gotta cover that.
So you have a built-in dilemma. Do you want to go after older people who watch news or younger people who watch ABC entertainment shows.
A lot of people told me that the job of making ABC News competitive was so difficult and so long that it wasn't worth the trouble.
If you don't have the rights, you can't do the show.
As you put together a show you have to assume that you are their only source of national and international news. You have to be the paper of record.